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Keeramak
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 Post Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 9:49 am    Post subject: Explaining the Battle System
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5 ships versus an Executor = Crappy System.

I have over 200,000 units there, yet I am unable to use them all at once?!

Please, for the sake of 'reality' [or at least reality in the SW Universe], change it.
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 Post Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 11:31 am    Post subject:
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You mean you're not allowed to far exceed your command and control systems just so you can have your little war? Keeramak, we're not compiling results for every single ship at once. Joke

Also, I do not mean that harshly at all.
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 Post Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 2:32 pm    Post subject:
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I agree w/ Keeramak. Razz

Actually Ams, the Ssi-Ruuvi have been known to at least command 1,300 starfighters in battle.

I have to also agree that five ships in an attack pattern? So all the other ships just kinda sit there, while five engage the enemy?

You don't have to calculuate EVERY SINGLE ship, but maybe like 4 rolls determine the average amount of damage a specific type makes. Rolls are quick, 10 seconds tops. If you are good at math, another 5 seconds tops to [average]. Then multiply that number with how many [insert class name]. Then move on to the next class.

I, myself, almost a veteran of this game have no idea how battle damages, engagement, setting up is done...

It seems every time another battle comes around, there are new rules and standards...

*hands everyone two cents* There.
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 Post Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 2:39 pm    Post subject:
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Actually, this system has been in place since after Brentaal, when we got tired of just doing stuff for 15 or so of the SAME kind of ship. Joke

And, Alex, it's like the initiatives under the old battlesystem. But, instead doing some several thousand rolls for your friend Keeramak here, we just have him pick his OWN order to go in, by fives. It makes administration infinitely easier, and, keeps the processing of each turn quick, so we hopefully don't have more Corulags.

Also, the damage a ship would cause depends on how its facing. This is where formations and tactics come into play. Depsite derision from certain other members, it can make an almost frightening difference from just using the old Trek-style tactic of sitting in a wall of ships and exchanging volleys. Also, if a ship's shot is obstructed, or the target is angled relative to the attacker, it can drastically alter the target profile and accuracy.
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 Post Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 4:11 pm    Post subject:
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But as I said on msn the unfair part is the 5 Ships fire on the SSD, then the SSD fires back, 5 Ships fire on the SSD, then the SSD fires back... this comepletely unbalences a battle, you are talking about realism with blocking shots etc, but your own battle system is extremely unrealistic....
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 Post Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 4:20 pm    Post subject:
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Even something like a Executor-class doesn't necessarily have the capability to destroy five ships of any class at once. For comparison, it could only shoot down three ISD-Is at once, if it were lucky.
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but it would still destroy a rediculous amount of ships since it is fireing at a 5:1 ratio ship wise with the other fleet...
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But would it be so ridiculous? Almost every source I have read has said that Executors are capable of handling small fleets on their own, whether all of those ships charged in or not. Also, like I told you, a delay in cases such as this against the outnumbered player may be both adding an element of realism as well as balance. I'll take it up with CMAC, as I said.
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water is really cat piss
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ROFL.
VvD says:
Its good with some Soy Sauce
Crazed says:
...cat piss?

Solo - the Reckless Corellian says:
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 Post Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 4:33 pm    Post subject:
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And if there were five SSDs then bam! 10 ISD-1 classes are out of existence; this is unfair to new players who get into trouble with the Empire and the Alliance. It’s unfair to smaller factions and it’s unfair to other players. Quite basically, it puts power over tactics; you can't have tactics if every last one of your ships disappears. I am quite tired of the system. Everyone who has gone against the Empire who is not the Alliance has fallen; it’s biased against new players and unbalanced for even veteran players. I can't even RP anymore because of how I am on the defensive all the time and no one is scared of me. It’s worthless; it’s put me on the edge to leaving quite so in fact.
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 Post Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 4:35 pm    Post subject:
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Well no kidding Brote! The Executors are some of the most powerul ships in Star Wars...no wonder ships get wasted by them wholesale. What did you honestly expect?

Just be glad the Eclipse isn't in this game...
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 Post Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 4:35 pm    Post subject:
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Ams Jendob wrote:
But would it be so ridiculous? Almost every source I have read has said that Executors are capable of handling small fleets on their own, whether all of those ships charged in or not. Also, like I told you, a delay in cases such as this against the outnumbered player may be both adding an element of realism as well as balance. I'll take it up with CMAC, as I said.


SMALL fleets, numbers are the cousin and distant relative of the pirate, small faction and even the Rebels. It was always X-Wings versus huge monolithic death cruisers, now it is again, for the St. Francis of Assisi put this system to rest.
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it wont be a Brote-style
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but...
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*gets married, gives birth to children and dies*
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"Tare meus armo , EGO vadum crudus , quod rip meus pes , EGO vadum scream , tamen EGO mos nunquam trado U.R.I. quod EGO mos pugna ut nex , si ut est quis postulo exsisto."

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Kalydon Skirata wrote:
Well no kidding Brote! The Executors are some of the most powerul ships in Star Wars...no wonder ships get wasted by them wholesale. What did you honestly expect?

Just be glad the Eclipse isn't in this game...


It is... Joke

Anyways, huge fleets versus a single Executor or Akula or some other over bloated idea of a stick for the Empire to make up for, is the only way to fight them. They can't move the ship into pieces and they can't fire at everything firing at them, its space as well, ships can fire from all sorts of angles that isn't a problem.
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it wont be a Brote-style
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but...
Noo... not Neimodia, you Rebels how?! says:
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Crazed says:
*gets married, gives birth to children and dies*
From the desk of Reverend. Matthew from the COM our mascot Penguin all verdicts are finel! says:
lol

"Tare meus armo , EGO vadum crudus , quod rip meus pes , EGO vadum scream , tamen EGO mos nunquam trado U.R.I. quod EGO mos pugna ut nex , si ut est quis postulo exsisto."

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 Post Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 4:39 pm    Post subject:
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Actually, a small fleet might be anywhere from a couple dozen very powerful craft like the Imperator to legions of lesser ships like Liberators, Carracks, and Lancers.


And no, there are no Eclipses or other superlaser-toting craft in this game.
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Crazed says:
water is really cat piss
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ROFL.
VvD says:
Its good with some Soy Sauce
Crazed says:
...cat piss?

Solo - the Reckless Corellian says:
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Everyone who has gone against the Empire who is not the Alliance has fallen


I beg to differ. Every battle the Alliance has fought with the Empire thus far, we've lost. And that was without an Executor and before Akulas came into existance.

Besides, that's the point of building these huge mammoths - so you can take on smaller fleets easily without having to sustain much damage.
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Anyway... if you guys think 5-ship turns are too few, well... what are your suggestions? This is, after all, the Suggestions forum, not the "File a Complaint" forum. So, you have found a problem, now, what is your idea to fix it? We're always open to ways to streamline and improve realism.
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water is really cat piss
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ROFL.
VvD says:
Its good with some Soy Sauce
Crazed says:
...cat piss?

Solo - the Reckless Corellian says:
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The VvD Explanation

Ok so we have 100s of thousands of fighters, but we can't use them all at once? *gasps* Why not? Because if these are all droids we have to program each squadron or group to do what we want. This isn't an instant process, and yes some processes are built in, but when its a new design, AI doesn't adapt. espically since the sheer cheapness of these.fighters. So now their organic pilots, but we have to comm these guys, and sometimes they'll ask questions.
And then we have the blastboat issue of them not being able to take out ESDs. Guess what, the Thrawn trilogy was probably talking about MILLIONS of these guys. Yes, they can probably take out an ISD when you have 100,000 of them, but in for then one shot. And then we have the problem of MASS. Each won't be able to shoot the same thing at the same time, as these guys need space. So, even if its 3D, there is only limited attack space. If we make a sphere around it, we have another problem - TLs will be able to hit them. So, there goes that theory that we can shoot 100,000 shots at once.
Now, we have a massive maint problem. Yes you pay for your ship to be maintained. Now where is it being maintained though? Your shipyards can only handle X amount in X amount of time. So maybe only 20,000 can be fixed per month, but the others are battling during that month - they'll fall apart before maintence. So, we have to have ship capabilities.
So our three problems are space, coordination and maintenence.
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well you heard my suggestion ams...

It is:
Group one fleet A fires
Group one fleet B fires
Group two fleet A fires
Group two fleet B fires
Group three fleet A fires
No other groups for fleet B, they lose their turn
etc.. That would continue until all fleet A ships fired, perhaps fleet B groups would fire one more time in that depending on fleet size of fleet A. That would add time to fire as well, giving all the larger fleets ships time to fire and the smaller fleet gets to fire more than once if the larger fleet is much larger (not every group may get to fire though... to add more realism as well).
That way all ships gets to fire, but the smaller fleet doesnt have the advantage of firing many more times than the larger fleet.

After that round of firing is done, the losses will be calculated, and shown by which ships were lost, then the player could re-make his battle order to compensate for losses and it continues.
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I believe the system should be for a certain number of your ships attacking at once an enemy, only you calculate the risk factor of the whole group in a certain class of ship. One big dice roll for each class would help a lot I think and would help realism. Now this would unfortunately mean if the one person decides to split the fleet into divisions and attack different parts of the opposing fleet then you would have to roll for each fleet in the same fashion but as seperates. This would help a lot I think, more so then this system would.
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it wont be a Brote-style
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but...
Noo... not Neimodia, you Rebels how?! says:
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Alex says:
lol

Crazed says:
*gets married, gives birth to children and dies*
From the desk of Reverend. Matthew from the COM our mascot Penguin all verdicts are finel! says:
lol

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We dropped dice on everything but ions. Too time consuming.
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...cat piss?

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Use one of them online features, you have to involve a bit of luck or its not Star Wars, Han Solo would have to agree with me on that one. Joke
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Alex says:
it wont be a Brote-style
Alex says:
but...
Noo... not Neimodia, you Rebels how?! says:
I have a style named after me now?
Alex says:
lol

Crazed says:
*gets married, gives birth to children and dies*
From the desk of Reverend. Matthew from the COM our mascot Penguin all verdicts are finel! says:
lol

"Tare meus armo , EGO vadum crudus , quod rip meus pes , EGO vadum scream , tamen EGO mos nunquam trado U.R.I. quod EGO mos pugna ut nex , si ut est quis postulo exsisto."

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We have our own number generator. However, it also has its flaws, as the Alliance found out with Rakata Prime. It gave the SAME result for weeks in a row.
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water is really cat piss
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ROFL.
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Crazed says:
...cat piss?

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Then find a new one, a better one, we can then make it better, stronger, we have the technology, we have the Cray. (100 million dollar man) Joke
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Alex says:
it wont be a Brote-style
Alex says:
but...
Noo... not Neimodia, you Rebels how?! says:
I have a style named after me now?
Alex says:
lol

Crazed says:
*gets married, gives birth to children and dies*
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He made the one we use, and it's extremely flexible, but it has occasional problems, and the were issues with realism using dice, such as missing stationary, large objects at close range.
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My idea is better Joke
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He made the one we use, and it's extremely flexible, but it has occasional problems, and the were issues with realism using dice, such as missing stationary, large objects at close range.


For realism sake you will not roll for close range attack, you just say it hit. Joke
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Even though luck and probability say it could miss?
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Even though luck and probability say it could miss?


Close range is like an automatic hit... its like putting your gun to someone's side and then firing and missing. If you are firing at a huge target with a huge gun or small one you will hit. Joke
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You cannot discount the possibility of gross technical failure, Brote.
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I think Gavin's system has the most workability, as well as resemblance to the current system. However, a smaller fleet neededn't necessarily be penalized for a small difference in size. The loss of turns would occur with large discrepancies, such as Carida.
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You cannot discount the possibility of gross technical failure, Brote.


Yes, but that wasn't the question asked of my system, if it were then I would say make a seperate roll for close range attackers for such.
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Brote, no offense, but your system has zero use of tactically placed weapons or anything.
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Brote, no offense, but your system has zero use of tactically placed weapons or anything.


That is what the roll is for... you calculate what vessels have what facing the enemy, then you roll. Joke
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And then people will yell that their ships are not in the formation they want. Joke That's why, right now, the combatants pick their own formations and firing sequences (formerly called the order of battle, I was tired of the blank looks... Joke)so they can at least engage the way the want. The results, however, depend on the assets engaged and the tactical knowledge of the commanders.
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And then people will yell that their ships are not in the formation they want. Joke That's why, right now, the combatants pick their own formations and firing sequences (formerly called the order of battle, I was tired of the blank looks... Joke)so they can at least engage the way the want. The results, however, depend on the assets engaged and the tactical knowledge of the commanders.


And in other words, you fight Imperials you get vaporized because their assets are better. Rolling Eyes
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but...
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*gets married, gives birth to children and dies*
From the desk of Reverend. Matthew from the COM our mascot Penguin all verdicts are finel! says:
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Not necessarily, though picking your battles wisely is never a bad thing instead of dumping every last ship into an assault against a lone planet or ship is always a good idea.
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Well that is because those people think they can attack... only if they have this number, rightfully so when we talk about SSDs whipping out whole fleets. Rolling Eyes
Players of smaller fleets would be whipped out in mass. Smaller Factions would disappear to the number of one Executor as it hit one small number of a fleet at a time. Where my system comes in and where Gavin's is still flawed.
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From the desk of Reverend. Matthew from the COM our mascot Penguin all verdicts are finel! says:
lol

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Except not everyone will attack with all of the same class.
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The problem I see with non-dice rolls is that Admins, mainly Cray and Ams judge the battle damage. That is unfair, sort of speak. They may consider a tactic completely stupid and judge it according to what they think.

Dice rolls are chances and effectiveness of the rolled tactic working. Does an X-Wing have a chance against an Executor. Yes. But what's the probability it will survive?! Like 1 out of a billion; but that does not competely negate the chances.

I'm proposing a MSN conference with all players to talk about this and we will come up with a system and present it to the board.

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I think on the boards would be just as well, Alex. It would make sure everyone gets an equal chance.
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exactly, I would be willing to work in this conversation to a better battlesystem!
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Meh, either way, I'll get a group and we'll come up with something. If people see a good change or a flaw, post it.
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It would let those who have no problem with it say so, instead of just being cut out. Joke
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I have no problem. End of story.
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All right, then leave us you stunted piece of slim.

Oh wait, this is OOC. Rolling Eyes
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Tell me Alex, do you think you could moderate this? Literally thousands of ships attacking each other, and you have to roll for nearly each weapon. I think the admins are streched enough as it is. Its either use your system and make two members CMAC or keep the system and the admins. And what I mean is I have been asking for an armor price for two months (or whatever) and I have yet to recieve it -the admins are busy, and its a busy time of year. So, until you can do it, don't talk. Its like at SWD, don't whine that the Avs don't get your action done for about 2 days - there are other people doing stuff too.
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All right, then leave us you stunted piece of slim.

Oh wait, this is OOC. Rolling Eyes


Which makes it baiting and flaming... watch yourself.
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This game will come to a complete standstill if this isn't fixed.

Think about it this way, 10 battles pop up. We all know that's coming, and are all of going to be fought like this? If it is....

We need a system, yes I'm not exactly what will fit this game's needs, but we need a new one. [At least I feel that way.] The one we have now, is just as slow as the previous systems and will take EQUALLY as long with thousands of ships rotating into 5s.

And VVD, if you don't have a problem with this system, why are you in this conversation?
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Because, this conversation is about explaining it... not complaining it. Unless I misread the topic title. Joke
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I can edit that. Razz
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Victor von Doom
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 Post Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 6:15 pm    Post subject:
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And VVD, if you don't have a problem with this system, why are you in this conversation?


Because people want it changed, and you are basically telling us that like it to STFU. Guess what I'm not going to STFU. Joke I like it the way it is as it is functional.
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